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Last post 09-07-2008 5:08 PM by Shylugh. 11 replies.
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  • 09-04-2008 1:13 AM

    • Shylugh
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    Warlock Haste

    http://www.leulier.com spreadsheet used for all theorycrafting numbers

    Gem Postmortem

    So I recently took the plunge and regemmed my gear for all haste.

    My spell dmg went down 76 but I gained 74 haste.

    This new haste gave me a better Raid ISB uptime from 62.99% (dmg gems) to 63.14% (haste gems) difference of 0.15%

    I think this mainly increased my effectiveness in my role as Warlock DPS since my targets for the real challenging fights don't live long (Void Sentinels, Void Spawns, Shield Orbs, Reflections) and I have to move so much in Sunwell. I also contributed to the Raid Shadow DPS by keeping ISB up for a longer duration.

    My personal DPS has a difference of 1 DPS (raid buffed with second drummer and elem shaman. Very minor change, but I think it was worth it.

    Gear postmortem

    I also made some gear changes since I'm well beyond hit cap. (These calculations are separate to the gem study above) 

    Gear in question since I have it available to me:

    So the question then becomes is a difference of 14 Stamina 22 Int and 52 Haste better than 24 Crit and 40 spell damage

    The spreadsheet reported an 8 DPS increase and a Raid ISB uptime difference of .26%

    Conclusion

    I like haste, your mileage may vary, I like to be able to cast more often and better dps when I can't stand still for long. (Running from meteors, fire blooms, back into shield, away from gravity ball, away from dark fiends, etc.)

  • 09-04-2008 8:37 AM In reply to

    Re: Warlock Haste

    Good post Shy.  Even if there was a slight DPS loss on the move to haste.  Quicker is still better on mobile fights.  KJ is a great example of a fight were you at any given moment will need to up and run or change targets.  The more casts per minute mean more oppertunites to not having to lose a SB cast to move out of whatever danger there is.

    How much time did it actuall take off your SB cast and GCD?

  • 09-04-2008 9:30 AM In reply to

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    Re: Warlock Haste

    I actually found that the coefficient Leulier uses with calculating ISB uptime typically isn't accurate due to ISB overlap from multiple locks.  Also, when we all shoot SB's at the same time, the ISB debuff immediately fades and this scales with haste.  I changed the VBA code a bit and found it to be a little more accurate.  Leulier used linear regression to describe the behavior of ISB when it should be very nonlinear due to multiple locks casting SB at the same time.

    I can't do too much since I'm at work and need to attend some meetings, but I put in Shy's new gear and stat info into my ISB uptime along with the rest of us and it went up to 65.22% uptime (best case).  When I get the chance, I'll upload my spreadsheet to my ftp site and share it with you guys.

     Good thinking Shy, I might have to do the same when I have enough badges :-p

  • 09-04-2008 1:11 PM In reply to

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    Re: Warlock Haste

    minathia:

    How much time did it actuall take off your SB cast and GCD?

    Since I'm at work I'm doing this from memory:

    My sbolts before my gem change were 2.33 and immolate (base cast of 1.5) was 1.43

    After the change sbolts are 2.13 and immolate 1.28.

  • 09-04-2008 7:39 PM In reply to

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    Re: Warlock Haste

    Tonight I'm gonna play around with using my Translucent Spellthread Necklace in place of the Loop of Cursed Bones since it has added crit and dmg. According to the spreadsheet it should give me a gain of .35% in Raid ISB uptime but decrease my personal dps by 3.

    This changes my sbolt cast time to 2.17 from 2.13 and my immolate to 1.3 from 1.28.

  • 09-05-2008 12:20 AM In reply to

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    Re: Warlock Haste

    Please state the complete before and after...

    Spell hit rating:
    Spell crit rating:
    Spell haste rating:
    Spell damage to shadow spell:

  • 09-05-2008 2:05 AM In reply to

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    Re: Warlock Haste

    Shylugh:

    Tonight I'm gonna play around with using my Translucent Spellthread Necklace in place of the Loop of Cursed Bones

    I like this change. I think this will be the best combo for me gonig forward until I get sunwell gear to replace items. I noticed the improved crit over last night's attempts and I was still gatlin' bolt on the adds. This helped me be better at topping the meters on the adds and be able to dps on the move during entropius.

    Tonight's wws of fights that went into phase 2 M'uru (who hit whom linked with dmg done listed): (Edit: added total sents and spawns and casts on entropius)

    (using Quagmirran's Eye, Translucent Spellthread Necklace, and Shadowcaster's Drape)

    1. http://wowwebstats.com/ksrksctxuhhag?s=86941-123715&whtw
      • Void Sent - 11 total mobs and 427,142 dmg
      • Void Spawn - 60 total mobs and 722,552 dmg
      • Entropius - 994 dmg (1 cast) - looks like this was a very short phase 2 before the raid wiped
    2. http://wowwebstats.com/ksrksctxuhhag?s=212854-248212&whtw
      • Void Sent - 13 total mobs and 525,976 dmg
      • Void Spawn - 68 total mobs and 728,582 dmg
      • Entropius - 0 dmg (Apparently Entropius didn't spawn. I think this is where we had prolonged a wave and held M'uru at 1% for a longer period than we usually do)
    3. http://wowwebstats.com/ksrksctxuhhag?s=296207-328858&whtw
    4. http://wowwebstats.com/ksrksctxuhhag?s=416362-452965&whtw

    last night's wws of fights that went into phase 2 M'uru (who hit whom linked):

    (using Quagmirran's Eye, Loop of Cursed Bones, and Shadowcaster's Drape)

    1. http://wowwebstats.com/aw5mqg5xqel2w?s=99029-136074&whtw
    2. http://wowwebstats.com/aw5mqg5xqel2w?s=159619-198056&whtw
      • Void Sent - 12 total mobs and 241,287 dmg
      • Void Spawn - 66 total mobs and 307,754 dmg
      • Entropius - 0 dmg (I think this was one attempt where we had a late Void Sent spawn while transitioning into Phase 2 and I ended up staying on the spawns the entire time until i died. looks like I died to negative energy and singularity which means I wasn't watching where I was stepping /cry. Death replay)

    So yeah I like wearing the souls necklace over the ZA necklace. I'll do a similar breakdown analysis of my previous M'uru attempts in my old gear to follow... but time for sleep now.

  • 09-05-2008 2:19 AM In reply to

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    Re: Warlock Haste

    Meh I'm awake and excited to look at numbers.... so posting now lol

    last week's M'uru attempts: with dmg gems (using Nethervoid Cloak, Translucent Spellthread Necklace, and Hex Shrunken Head)

  • 09-06-2008 2:31 PM In reply to

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    Re: Warlock Haste

    zathrus:

    Please state the complete before and after...

    Spell hit rating:
    Spell crit rating:
    Spell haste rating:
    Spell damage to shadow spell:

     
  • 09-06-2008 11:53 PM In reply to

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    Re: Warlock Haste

    zathrus:

    Please state the complete before and after...

    Spell hit rating:
    Spell crit rating:
    Spell haste rating:
    Spell damage to shadow spell:

    Accoding to spreadsheet 

    before:

    • Spell hit rating: 246
    • Spell crit rating: 316
    • Spell haste rating: 153
    • Shadow spell damage: 1401+107

    after:

    • Spell hit rating: 230
    • Spell crit rating: 316
    • Spell haste rating: 243
    • Shadow Spell damage: 1352+54
  • 09-07-2008 4:51 AM In reply to

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    Re: Warlock Haste

    The ratings you state should be only on you gear and gem choices.  Please confirm (no shaman totems, no drums factored in, no raid level buffs, etc.)

  • 09-07-2008 5:08 PM In reply to

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    Re: Warlock Haste

    zathrus:

    The ratings you state should be only on you gear and gem choices.  Please confirm (no shaman totems, no drums factored in, no raid level buffs, etc.)

    Correct. The numbers listed was just me without using my drums and without raid buffs.

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